A translation of Catullus VIII

by AndrewJamesMurray

Published April 12, 2013

E - Everyone
Foolish Catullus, stop playing the fool
Give up as lost what was to you so cruel.
For truly bright suns once shone upon you
And you went where'er the girl led you to,
She who was loved like no other will be.
From such desires neither of you did flee,
When all were happy in various ways
Once upon a time in happier days.
She does not want you now: you can't deny;
You can't catch the sun; nor keep asking "Why?"
But harden your heart, be firm and endure
Goodbye, cruel girl, now Catullus is sure:
He will not look for you against your will
And you'll lament when you're unlooked for still.
Ah, cruel girl! What life is there for you now?
Who'll go to you and not think you a cow?
Whom will you now love and be said to be?
Whom will you kiss and bite whose lips in glee?
All the while, you will never be with me.

*For those who are interested, here's the original:

Miser Catulle, d�sin�s ineptīre,
et quod vid�s perīsse perditum dūc�s.
Fuls�re quondam candidī tibī s�l�s,
cum ventit�b�s qu� puella duc�bat
am�ta n�bīs quantum am�bitur nūlla.
Ibi illa multa cum iocosa fiebant,
quae tū volebas nec puella nolebat,
fuls�re v�r� candidī tibī s�l�s.
Nunc iam illa n�n vult: tu quoque impot�ns n�lī,
nec quae fugit sectare, nec miser vīve,
sed obstin�t� mente perfer, obdūr�.
Val� puella. Iam Catullus obdūrat,
nec t� requīret nec rog�bit invītam.
At tū dolebis, cum rog�beris nūlla.
Scelesta, vae t�! quae tibī manet vīta?
Quis nunc t� adībit? Cui vid�beris bella?
Quem nunc am�bis? Cuius esse dīc�ris?
Quem b�si�bis? Cui labella mord�bis?
At tū, Catulle, d�stin�tus obdūr�.
Comments & reviews · 2
fireheartedkaratepup wrote a review Review · May 26, 2013

Foolish Catullus, stop playing the fool

ALLITERATION HO!
*cough*
If you can, I'd try to switch that first word with a synonym (since I see you're rhyming fool with cruel.) On that note--does the original rhyme? The first half doesn't seem to, but then the last half starts matching up word ending more closely.

Whom will you kiss and bite whose lips in glee?

I can see why you're write this line the way you did, but grammatically, it doesn't make much sense. You've already established the "whom" at the beginning of the sentence, so the the "whose" is redundant. I do see that its inclusion helps the flow and rhyme scheme, so I don't know what to recommend. Perhaps you could modify lips? Annnnd now I'm seeing that doing so might stray from the translation a bit. (I took several years of Latin, but I'm not fluent by any means.)

I commend you for translating this at all, I know how difficult that can be. (In theory--I've never done it myself, but I've listened to song translation before, and I know a bit about languages and poetry.) A more literal translation would feel better (if you're like me), but I think with poetry you have to take a bit of artistic license. Up to you.

All in all, good job! I wish I could do things like this. *should study more languages*

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ERZA wrote a review Review · May 11, 2013

Um I will only review the translation since know only English.....

Good job with the translation...I may know nothing about the original piece but translating someething is always a hard work.
I liked the poem very much..it is so much realistic and it also has that ancient touch to it must say its a very bold and nice poem...
Good thing that he realised that the girl is a nuissance if I say so.
Also I think you should make anotherr version of it..which would be better punctuated..nicely divided into stanzas and also with more description..
Since its a translation I will not say anything about it being good or bad.....thats all. Keep writing!



The bigger the issue, the smaller you write. Remember that. You don’t write about the horrors of war. No. You write about a kid’s burnt socks lying on the road. You pick the smallest manageable part of the big thing, and you work off the resonance.
— Richard Price